If conception hasn't even occurred yet there's nobody there to kill.

Yes, exactly. It's perfectly obvious.

But let's face it, there are parts of the "in sorrow shalt thou bring forth children" crowd that have so little contact with reality it is astonishing they can get enough traction to walk. I end up wondering why people who think they are moderate, and who are generally reasonable, would be willing to be associated with these loonies.