More from the "In Sorrow Shalt Thou Bring Forth Children" Crowd

[catsittingstill]

Furthering the goals of the "keep women out of jobs and schools" faction:

On June 7th, the anniversary of the Supreme Court decision that gave married people the right to use contraception, the American Life League, along with Pro-Life Wisconsin and Pharmacists for Life International Associate groups want you to join them in protesting in front of facilities that distribute birth control products.  (From Alternet)

That's right, they don't just hate abortions, they hate birth control too.  And if we end up in the same social situation we were in the 1800s,--when a woman couldn't get an education or a decent-paying, well-respected job, because we couldn't ever be alone with a man we weren't related to--why that's not just an unfortunate but necessary side effect of preserving women's purity, but the whole point of the exercise.

Comments

[catsittingstill.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure I follow the argument; the only Bund I can find that might apply was the German American Bund, a pro-Nazi (pre WWII) group in the US. If that's the one you mean, I'd interpret it as "The Christian Right are supporting an external group of similar ideology that is a significant external threat." But I can't figure out what the external group might be, so maybe I'm not following the discussion properly.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

Indeed, the modern equivalent of the Bunds would be the anti-war activists.

[catsittingstill.livejournal.com]

I don't think there's anything wrong with opposing the war in Iraq, if that's what you're referring to.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

I don't think there's anything wrong with opposing the war in Iraq, if that's what you're referring to.

No worse than opposing the war in Europe in 1939-45.

[catsittingstill.livejournal.com]

Oh good grief.

We entered WWII because we were attacked.

The Iraq War, on the other hand, was us attacking a country that hadn't attacked us and wasn't crazy enough to try, over weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist anymore (and that Bush Senior had given them in the first place) and ties to Al Quaeda didn't ever exist.

Osama bin Laden attacked us and Saddam Hussein (whom bin Laden hated passionately) got the blame and took the punishment. Bin Laden must *still* be laughing his head off in his mountain hideaway over that.

Opposing a war like that is just good common sense. Something that is sadly in short supply.

[hitchkitty.livejournal.com]

The US entered the Second World War because Pearl Harbor was attacked -- at least, that's the rationale given in most US history textbooks -- but that didn't happen until 1941.

I'd have to do some checking, but I don't know that anyone in the US seriously opposed the war in Europe after that.

And in any case, despite what some on the right think, Saddam Hussein was not Adolf Hitler mkII.

[filkertom.livejournal.com]

Nicked from Wikipedia:

The United States of America was neutral early in the war, although it steadily grew ties with the Allies and began providing increased levels of assistance to them. The United States joined the Allies in December 1941 after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, when war on Japan was declared by Congress on December 11. Germany and Italy declared war on the United States 3 days later. The United States subscribed to the Allied plan of making German defeat the priority, where it operated in coordination with the United Kingdom in most major operations. However, it also maintained a strong effort against Japan, being the primary Allied power in the Pacific Theatre. The U.S. played an important role in providing valuable industrial production to support the Allied war effort....

So unless Saddam Hussien dropped some bombs on Hawaii that you haven't told us about, it's ain't the same.

[jordan179.livejournal.com]

I wasn't aware that either the German or the Italians had bombed Pearl Harbor ...

[catsittingstill.livejournal.com]

(rolls eyes)

The Germans, the Italians, and the Japanese were allied to each other.

Al Quaeda, which actually attacked the US, and Saddam Hussein, who paid the price, were not only *not* allies, they hated each other with a passion. Osama bin Laden is probably *still* laughing about it--he attacked an entity he hated, and that entity was so stupid it promptly turned around and destroyed another entity he hated. In the process making room for bin Laden's organization to flourish in the latter entity.

[stevemb.livejournal.com]

Nah, as I indicated (but evidently not clearly enough) above, the equivalent parallel is that of domestic fundie extremists to foreign fundie extremists.

[catsittingstill.livejournal.com]

Okay--that's what I thought you were trying to say. I'm not sure I agree with you--they are both extremists and are presently reinforcing each other's membership, so that kind of fits, but it seems to me that on the surface they oppose each other, which doesn't fit as well.

But at least I get what you were saying.